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#31
(Sent from the World Seniors in Greece)

Regardless of the circumstances of this particular case, having chess games broadcast to a wider audience can only be a good thing, for spectators and potential sponsors alike.

Here we have the top games (both men and women) broadcast live, and no-one is questioning that. We also have digital clocks, increments, and all of the games published soon after the round is finished, and no-one is objecting to any of that either. It's called progress.

Many of the top players here are GMs, IMs and/or chess professionals, and they receive certain concessions from the organisers (reduced or no entry fee, etc) and know they have to agree to certain things in return. They are not particularly concerned that their opponents will prepare for their games - they will do that anyway, given the large volume of data available on the internet. That's the way it works nowadays.

Obviously a weekend congress in Scotland is a very different thing but if we want to aspire to greater things then we should be prepared to move with the times.

Incidentally, Craig Pritchett will be playing on the 'live' boards against GM Okhotnik today which should be worth watching.
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#32
Indeed arbiters are best placed.

My reasoning was that in congresses where draw is done manually you get a card for each player that gives their total score, opponents, colours, players number etc. If you put an indication of opt out there then at a glance when arbiters do draw they can see top 4 boards where both players want to play on digital boards and can then simply switch boards so traditional "Board 1" match is played on Board 5 and on Board 1 you put highest board number where all people want to play on boards. Admittedly that extra step could take a couple of minutes in each round that in a 5 round congress would be 10min per event that for a 4 event congress could add 40minutes onto workload spread out over 5 rounds

Trickier situation is when draws are made by a computer. Ideally if you had access to code all you would need to do is to add an opt out variable and then have computer populate boards as per description above. Unfortunately it's quite likely that source code isn't readily distributable so two options available are either the inelegant solution of scoring out and rewriting board numbers or alternatively writing a small program that takes data exported from program that makes draw to reorganise it according to digital board preference.

I will admit that it is probably easier for arbiters either to have no digital boards at all or force players to play on them whether they like it or not, although looking at problem and since original post did mention there being no real procedure in place I figured solution above is probably only theoretically feasible compromise. As far as getting chess out goes I'm more conservative so rather than newfangled inventions I figure education is way to go about it.

P.S. As far as digital boards go I often find their location is a bit inaccessible at least to general public. Would it not make sense to for example have a very prominant link on chessscotland website whenever any congresses have live boards. For example something like <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.theweekinchess.com/live">http://www.theweekinchess.com/live</a><!-- m --> or <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://teamleague.org/index.php">http://teamleague.org/index.php</a><!-- m --> could be a couple of examples to look at with maybe even permanant hosting of all previous games played on them so anyone looking can also look up past events although hosting might be an issue although usually pgns are quite small
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#33
For the benefit of any doubt. Oban did nor request the boards. I took them with me to do some testing. There was no prominence on the cs webpage as ftp was down on Friday night
"How sad to see, what used to be, a model of decorum and tranquility become like any other sport, a battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee"
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#34
Well what I was meaning by prominence on front page was something slightly different. I guess it's easier to illustrate with a picture like <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6277/example2wq.png">http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6277/example2wq.png</a><!-- m --> (I used link since image sizes for forum are fairly small) where you can see a shabby photoshop of what I was suggesting it should look like that would raise profile of digital boards.
General idea is that you can get latest games and ideally an archive format by tournament a bit like you would find at <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.chessscotland.com/scottishchampionship2012/livegames.php">http://www.chessscotland.com/scottishch ... egames.php</a><!-- m --> but with difference that it's easily accessible and viewable so if I wanted to tell a friend to watch one of my games regardless of competition I would tell him/her to go to chessscotland site and click on live games link since currently location of games is quite variable depending on event.
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#35
If you have no upload it is pointless
"How sad to see, what used to be, a model of decorum and tranquility become like any other sport, a battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee"
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#36
KMcGeoch Wrote:Indeed arbiters are best placed.


Trickier situation is when draws are made by a computer. Ideally if you had access to code all you would need to do is to add an opt out variable and then have computer populate boards as per description above. Unfortunately it's quite likely that source code isn't readily distributable so two options available are either the inelegant solution of scoring out and rewriting board numbers or alternatively writing a small program that takes data exported from program that makes draw to reorganise it according to digital board preference.
If doing a draw by computer and you wish to have the board 1 players use the board 5 equipment there is an easier solution.

(a) Pick up the piece of paper that says board 1
(b) Pick up the piece of paper that says board 5
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#37
I had considered moving bit of paper although there are three problems

1. Arbiter has to presumably go to every event and rearrange boards that is time consuming and will require a fair bit of walking to locate boards and probably a list of boards to swap
2. It's quite possible that boards will switch every round that means board consistency will be a problem since for example board 5 could end up being board 1, board 2 and board 5 in consecutive rounds
3. It's also possible players may end up having difficulties finding their board and if venue is tight for space it could be problematic locating board

I'll also note that with no upload point either it's a reference to oban that I haven't really referred to other than in general terms or it's slightly different implementation to how I was interpreting it. I was imagining something closer to a mirror or alternatively imbedded flash as you can see often in videos making it more accurately a relay of the live.
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#38
Easier just to force everyone to play on live boards to be honest. ;P
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#39
Andy Howie Wrote:If you have no upload it is pointless

True, sorry Andy. Partly my fault - I forgot about your email and have only just remembered! Sad
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#40
Since when was Chess Scotland run by a dictatorship?

Andrew McHarg Wrote:Easier just to force everyone to play on live boards to be honest.

This does not sit well with my understanding of the situation. The use of the live boards was not advertised in advance, and I do not like the idea of 'forcing' someone to play on a live board in such a situation, or indeed in any situation.

As recently as the Prestwick Congress Steve took part, and played on the live boards in each of the 5 rounds. The difference being that the use of the live boards was advertised in advance.

Let's get this in perspective, although one or two people have been concerned, it is a very minor event, nobody died. Please get off your high horses.
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