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As a recent SNP member I support the abolition of nuclear weapons on Scottish soil.
There are some SNP policies I am trying to improve and I will listen to arguments where there are weaknesses.
E.g. Scottish Law is terrible - unaffordable and unfair - I shall be telling Nicola about this.
I am not convinced Labour have any policies at all and the Tories & Lib Dems don't bother in Scotland.
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Angus is totally correct to say we shouldn't be airing any personal political views here. Most of it is light hearted but to be fair to all members I feel we need to call it a day on this one,
Robin.
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I had a look Dougie.
I think that since this post was made that Scotland participated in the Olympiad in Russia and are about to participate in the Olympiad in Turkey. What's the issue?
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Quote:Angus is totally correct to say we shouldn't be airing any personal political views here. Most of it is light hearted but to be fair to all members I feel we need to call it a day on this one,
Robin.
Thank you Robin.
You are ofcourse stating a 'Standard' that is obvious to most with the exception of some CS directors.
I guess non 'nationalists' are meant to feel a bit intimidated! That's how it works I guess.
For me it's not a light hearted subject. My identity is under attack. As I stated earlier I am proud to be Scottish but I am also proud to be British. Something that will be taken away from me and many hundreds of thousands(probably Millions of people of Scottish ancestory living in England) of others like me if Scottish Nationalists get their way.
They claim to be an Internationlist party with their first step to create greater links with other countries to break the links of 300 years of Union!! Which thinly conceals a real attitude which is blatantly Anti English. If not why would you want to break the links which have seen millions belonging to families comprised of English and Scottish backgrounds. Ofcourse the Welsh and Irish are pretty cool also :-)
We have 2 more years of drum banging to put up with and then an end to it. Meanwhile a lot of unnecessary trouble and grief will be incurred.
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Could not disagree more Angus.
Nationalists are not anti-English. It has nothing to do with being anti-English. I am a nationalist, but I have many English relatives and friends. In fact, about a quarter of my family have English roots. Ironically I think unionist Rangers fans are far more anti-English than any nationalists are.
I believe Scotland and England are two separate countries with two separate cultures, identities, aspirations, desires and political opinions. These cannot all be addressed by continuing in a union. That's not to say that Scotland and England wouldn't remain the closest of allies/friends - they would - it's just that the people best placed to make decisions which influence the Scottish people are the Scottish people themselves, sitting in Edinburgh. We do not need/want the international pressures of being in a union that desires permanent membership of the UN (and the nukes that go along with it). We do not want to have our soldiers sent to fight in foreign lands. We do not want our public services to be systematically anihilated by English Tories, while Labour and the Lib Dems do nothing of real substance to prevent it.
That's why I'll be voting "Yes" in the referendum.
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Quote:I believe Scotland and England are two separate countries with two separate cultures, identities, aspirations, desires and political opinions
Andrew! I'd worked out that we disagree :-)
OK,
Your quote above, allthough it might have sounded good to you when you typed it is absolute nonsense.
Scotland and England are totally interlinked. There are 400,000 people born in England entitled to vote in the Scottish Referendum. You have many English relatives and friends and so do I and we are clearly British together. Why so anti British then Andrew? Is there really something so wrong with being British together with our 'loved' English, Welsh and Irish cousins?? We have the same companies throughout our land. We work together we prosper or fail together. Focussing on driving this totally unnecessary wedge and emphasising the differences in culture is typically nationalist but with much less effort we can can be British together.
As for the stuff about Rangers. Not even contemplated in my views. I believe in humanity and the common factors between people. Allthough I learn something new everyday (Rangers supporters are Anti English and Scottish Nationalist supporters love the English) I know the SNP have emphasised the influence of being good flag waving Scottish supporters but it means nought to me.
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Andrew McHarg Wrote:Ironically I think unionist Rangers fans are far more anti-English than any nationalists are.
In what way are Rangers supporters anti-English?
That's the most ridiculous thing said on this thread and that's saying something!
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Derek Howie Wrote:In what way are Rangers supporters anti-English?
A tendency to play 1..c6 2....e5, in response to 1...c4? Although this conjecture is not based on any sound facts, like much of the rhetoric throughout this thread and others.
Is anyone actually in possession of the actual income generated due to the Elgin Marbles being returned to their rightful birthplace?
Is being British together but wanting a separate Scotland team at the Olympiad a paradox or just wanting to eat your cake and have it?
What is the definition of International? Has this been redefined by the technological age shrinking travel times throughout the world to now mean not so inter?
Have people seriously spent time discussing how far everything is from Exchange Square in Glasgow? Are these the same people that visit George Square with their cats and a packet of bird seed?
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Oh and where is the evidence that crows actually fly straight from one place to another?
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