+- Forums (https://www.chessscotland.com/forum)
+-- Forum: Members Only (https://www.chessscotland.com/forum/forum-16.html)
+--- Forum: General Chess Chat (https://www.chessscotland.com/forum/forum-3.html)
+--- Thread: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 (/thread-831.html)
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - Mike Scott - 08-01-2014
Sean
Quote:The technology is there to play over the internet with a clock and works well even for blitz games
My point was about the loss of time if the moves were manually entered onto the on-line version of the game rather than in the time lost in their transmission over the net.
Perhaps the live boards can be used with the moves being transmitted directly. There would however remain the problem of making the move over the opponent's board - not a real issue during normal play but during time trouble it would be. Also there are also often issues with the boards themselves (or the comms).
Perhaps the solution is that the official board is the online board, with the real boards used purely to assist the players who are happier using something solid for analysis purposes.
Perhaps one must start afresh and not think of it as a normal congress rather as a hybrid on-line/OTB event?
BTW Given that the on-line games can be monitored in real-time for silicon like assistance, which combined with the threat of a life time ban, could potentially make it harder to cheat and get away with it?
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - Mike Scott - 08-01-2014
David
Quote:When I enter a tournament i want to play someone over the board and not a faceless screen which I already do by playing internet chess. One of the main points of playing in an OTB tournament is to socialise and meet new people, so personally i think turning up to play a computer screen would be very irritating
I would completely agree and as others have said the presence of an actual opponent is an essential element in personalizing the battle. That said if the event is advertised as including remote players then everyone is free to enter or not.
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - IMarks - 08-01-2014
Mike wrote
Quote:if the event is advertised as including remote players then everyone is free to enter or not.I was going to sit back and say no more, but the problem with this is that if, as often happens, players enter on the day (or even 15 minutes before round 1, as has happened!), then those who have already entered, shelled out for B&B and travelled to the venue are kinda hard-placed to unenter if they find the latecomer wants to play online. Even if you stipulate and stick to a hard-and-fast closing date, so we know who's who, there is no way a player, wishing to know if remote players have entered, could then enter and arrange travel or accommodation.
As Alex has reiterated, the rights of the players at the venue - or those who would be - are equally important. Given that there are likely to be 100+ of them compared to 1 or 2 remote players, you can only go by the greatest good for the greatest number.
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - Matthew Turner - 08-01-2014
Ian,
Are you serious?
No player is going to enter a tournament 15 minutes beforehand and expect to play remotely, that needs to be organised well advance and do you honestly think that the a player is going to enter a tournament and arrange accommodation etc. but then on arriving wish to cancel because a handicapped or isolated player had been given the opportunity to play and there was a 20% chance that they might have to play them remotely.
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - Mike Scott - 08-01-2014
Quote:...facing a living, breathing entity in the flesh...
My wife always reckoned that it was the high levels of BO that kept the fairer sex away - dare I say remote - from chess. Perhaps they would be attracted back by NOT facing a living, breathing entity in the flesh!
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - Matthew Turner - 08-01-2014
At the AGM I appointed someone as my proxy with instructions on how to vote on this and a number of other issues. Does that proxy remain in force for the continuation?
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - David G Congalton - 09-01-2014
Seems we're five years behind South Africa.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.chesscube.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/ChessCube-SA-Open-2009-Report.pdf">http://www.chesscube.com/blog/wp-conten ... Report.pdf</a><!-- m -->
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - Andy McCulloch - 09-01-2014
The obvious follow up question springs to mind. Has this tournament been copied and / or continued in subsequent years?
I recall that the Chess Cube site was promoted by someone on the ECF, but I have not heard of it recently.
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - seanmilton - 09-01-2014
Mike Scott Wrote:Sean
Quote:The technology is there to play over the internet with a clock and works well even for blitz games
My point was about the loss of time if the moves were manually entered onto the on-line version of the game rather than in the time lost in their transmission over the net.
Perhaps the live boards can be used with the moves being transmitted directly. There would however remain the problem of making the move over the opponent's board - not a real issue during normal play but during time trouble it would be. Also there are also often issues with the boards themselves (or the comms).
Perhaps the solution is that the official board is the online board, with the real boards used purely to assist the players who are happier using something solid for analysis purposes.
Mike, What I was trying to say was that internet programs such as Chess.com do contain clocks and the technology works well when both players play online together. Predicting a reluctance by some to play online games at congresses I have tried to find a compromise where the players can play as near to normal congress conditions as possible. The trade off is the use of volunteers and the time control issue for the remote player. Hopefully this forum or the working party can find solutions to these issues. The marrying of DGT boards and the internet is a really good idea and something that I hope the W.P will explore. David Congalton provided me with a good contact who has some expertise in this field. Hopefully if a W.P is formed we can get him on board.
Re: Continuation of AGM - motion 1.2 - StevieHilton - 09-01-2014
Sean,
Did you get my private message? I am still awaiting a reply?
I have an interest in this motion being disabled.
Stephen Hilton
Secretary General
IBCA (International Braille Chess Association)
Secretary FIDE Committee 'Chess for the disabled'