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Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - Phil Thomas - 30-10-2013

Phil Thomas Wrote:
andyburnett Wrote:
Phil Thomas Wrote:I saw the end of that game - I was the arbiter hovering nearby in anticipation of a 2 minute draw claim.

The result was a win for Andy Burnett.

One of those endings where finishing the game at 5 seconds per move - one of the FIDE changes happening from summer 2014 I believe - would have been a fair way to resolve the outcome.

I have heard rumour about this rule Phil. Why on earth it would be a fair way to resolve the outcome is beyond me however? We both started with the same amount of time, I used mine more efficiently. Does the rule mean that we are both put on a lightning buzzer-type affair? Would I lose the extra minutes I had over Craig in this instance? Hmmm, I'm not too keen on this idea at all!

Incidentally, is there anything in the rules regarding what players should do when there is a clock 'malfunction'. More specifically in this case, if a player makes an illegal move, and there is a delay of several minutes in re-setting the clocks, should the player/s be allowed to sit at the board analysing while they wait? It didn't affect the outcome this time, but it certainly could have. Food for thought and discussion perhaps?

I had anticipated Craig playing 69 ...Ra7 and claiming a draw under the two minute rule with 5 seconds left on the clock. Almost every arbiter would take the same initial decision = have the players continue the game (this buys some thinking time for the arbiter) until Black's flag fell and then make a decision. At this point the result can becomes a lottery (unless result had become crystal clear by then ) because different arbiters would reach different conclusions. The rules have, I recall, been changed recently to disallow appeals against decisions in draw claims - can someone confirm or deny that point?

As I understand the new rules if Black claims the draw then White gets an extra 2 minutes before the 5 seconds per move shoot out. So the time saved up by White still counts for much and if both players were down to 5 seconds then Black acquires a significant time advantage.

Will arbiters use this optional solution (not compulsory as far as I know) after the rule comes into force next summer?
Interesting question and I really don't know the answer. Any arbiters out there want to comment?



Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - Alan Bell - 30-10-2013

andyburnett Wrote:Ok, I'm sure the position after 49. Kxe4 is winning. If the 'almost final' position is drawn, where did I go wrong?

You didn't go wrong, Andy; it is a table base draw after 49.Kxe4.
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Easy for the computers; near impossible for a human with 2 minutes left.


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - IMarks - 01-11-2013

andyburnett Wrote:Will the scores from Sunday be posted anytime soon? As I was involved in one of the last games to finish I didn't get a chance to see any of the results Sad

Thanks in advance,
Andy
+1 Sad


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - andyburnett - 01-11-2013

Alan Bell Wrote:
andyburnett Wrote:Ok, I'm sure the position after 49. Kxe4 is winning. If the 'almost final' position is drawn, where did I go wrong?

You didn't go wrong, Andy; it is a table base draw after 49.Kxe4.
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Easy for the computers; near impossible for a human with 2 minutes left.

Cheers Alan. Must have gotten my 'technique' positions mixed up as I deliberately headed for that R&P ending Sad


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - Andy Howie - 01-11-2013

IMarks Wrote:
andyburnett Wrote:Will the scores from Sunday be posted anytime soon? As I was involved in one of the last games to finish I didn't get a chance to see any of the results Sad

Thanks in advance,
Andy
+1 Sad

I only got the results last night as I have been away a lot of the week with work. I am away again next week to Ireland.

I have completed the grading for Division 1 and 2 and will get 3 and 4 done over the weekend. I also have to set up Swiss Master to grade the FIDE games. Would be helpful if players put a) their names b) their PNos and c) the actual result on the scorecard. Would make things so much easier for me and I could do it a lot quicker

Next thing will be to chase up all those players who are not registered with FIDE and get their Date of birth


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - Andy Howie - 01-11-2013

and just to keep you all quiet. Results are now available on http://snclchess.co.uk/


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - andyburnett - 01-11-2013

Thanks Andy,
Much appreciated Smile


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - IMarks - 01-11-2013

andyburnett Wrote:Thanks Andy,
Much appreciated Smile
'ere 'ere

Any chance of the draw for rd 3 in div. 4!? 8)
TIA


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - Alan Jelfs - 02-11-2013

I'd just like to say how impressed I was with the strength of the various Edinburgh teams at the SNCL, despite 12 of their finest being on overseas duty at the European club championship.


Re: SNCL 27th Oct 2013 - George Thomson - 02-11-2013

All four S.N.C.L divisions are full of players of different grades and throw up the possibility of some amazingly diverse clashes. This offers some people the opportunity to play against opponents whom they would rarely have the opportunity to face. There were some really interesting clashes on Sunday, looking at some of the positions on the "totally out-graded" boards suggested that the stronger opponents did not have it quite as easy as they expected in many cases.